tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283698189135504357.post8588338461166165646..comments2023-10-31T16:20:17.691+00:00Comments on Charismata: Our Moral UniverseDechttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14416263247593607473noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283698189135504357.post-33840680101089573102011-10-26T11:36:49.198+01:002011-10-26T11:36:49.198+01:00I completely agree, though I think Wolterstorff ha...I completely agree, though I think Wolterstorff has a point in so far as talking about Calvary as a place of injustice can shed light on what it means for Calvary to be a place of justice.<br /><br />St Peter's short exploration of Isaiah 53 might be instructive on this. There is the tension of suffering injustice at the hands of man and bearing just chastisement (at the hands of God?) that musn't be flattened.Dechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14416263247593607473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283698189135504357.post-87478442798481411562011-10-26T10:24:16.143+01:002011-10-26T10:24:16.143+01:00"I may be entirely wrong, but I very tentativ..."I may be entirely wrong, but I very tentatively think that justice inevitably demanding retribution is what Wolterstorff is working against."<br /><br />I get that and I see that everywhere at the moment and I am thinking about it a lot but I am still struck by the afternoon in the old Maynooth college canteen spent reading The Abolition of Man. Lewis writes that when rehabilitation takes precedence over punishment in justice, a great injustice is revealed. If you imprison a man for a crime you are punishing him. If you medicalise a man for a crime, you are doing somethng far worse. <br /><br />If the Cross is a place of injustice FULLSTOP, what the hell are we doing Declan? Let's go set up an advertising firm and sell ads of solar powered salt shakers to the hungry masses!hargadenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08857436673878143466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283698189135504357.post-36012702187036469522011-10-26T10:10:20.692+01:002011-10-26T10:10:20.692+01:00I may be entirely wrong, but I very tentatively th...I may be entirely wrong, but I very tentatively think that justice inevitably demanding retribution is what Wolterstorff is working against.<br /><br />Justice inevitably demands that injustice be restored to justice. That this can involve retribution is a given. What is perhaps not a given is that this inevitably demands retribution.<br /><br />To veer off track a little bit, I remember after his lecture, someone asked Wolterstorff about how the cross works out his understanding of justice. He simply said that Calvary is actually a place of injustice, where an innocent man was wrongfully executed.<br /><br />Interesting, but far too simplistic me thinks.Dechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14416263247593607473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283698189135504357.post-21164948522681775132011-10-25T18:34:24.144+01:002011-10-25T18:34:24.144+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283698189135504357.post-9080167454987261142011-10-25T18:31:36.068+01:002011-10-25T18:31:36.068+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3283698189135504357.post-82783354901883760662011-10-25T09:06:28.389+01:002011-10-25T09:06:28.389+01:00I've always taken it that punishment (more pre...I've always taken it that punishment (more precisely justice, which inevitably demands retribution) is Grace's shadow. But Grace approaches us with "a light lit from behind the sun" to butcher something CS Lewis once wrote. Hence the shadow falls before grace and arrives at us first.hargadenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08857436673878143466noreply@blogger.com